PART 1 of this story.......
OK, I just watched a program on Fox News, and it was VERY disturbing to me. I truely believe that this threat could be the end of the world as we (the American people) know it.
Here are some talking points:
First and foremost....a quote from the author of this program........"This was a film about radical islamic terror, a dangerous ideology fueled by religious hatred. It's important to remember that MOST muslims are peaceful & do NOT support terror. This story is NOT about them. This is a film about a radical worldview, and the threat it poses to us all, muslim, and non-muslim alike........
here we go....
a nice quote from hassan nasrallah....... Al Manar TV...2005
The most honorable death is by killing. And the most honorable killing & the glorious martydom is when a man is killed for the sake of Allah.
another nice quote from a Hamas website (12-05):
mr. Raed Said Hussien Saad from Palestinia TV said:
"We succeeded with Allah's grace, to raise an ideological generation that loves death like our enemy loves life.
They have also stated by some "muslim experts" that there are well over a billion muslims in the world today, but that ONLY 10 to 15% were "radical" islam.....well as a numbers guy...that is well over 10 million muslims that want nothing else but my countries desctruction. i am sorry, but that is un-acceptable to me!!
In addition, i have seen many HORRIFIC displays of children being taught this hatred!!!! That more than anything just sets my blood boiling!!!! My God, let people judge for themselves how they want to choose their faith. It is so SICK and PERVERTED to brain wash children into this sick cycle of hate!!!!!!!!!!
Palo...please save me from this rant, because i have only used less than half of the information that i have at my disposal.
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oh dear... where do i start? what should i say?
well okay.. what exactly IS radical islam? what does that mean?
first of all, let's talk about the quotes that you stated. i'm going to say this, but you have to read till the end or else you'll freak out: guess what, there is nothing wrong with those quotes! now take a deep breath, calm down, and let me explain.
it is an islamic belief, that giving your life for the sake of Allah, is the greatesthonour. but what does giving your life, or dying for the sake of God mean? it's not anything appalling at all! have you ever watched 'Brave Heart'? that man died fighting for his country's freedom... that's what dying for the sake of Allah means. the following situations make a man a 'martyr' or what we call in arabic a 'shaheed':
1. dying while defending your country or land
2. dying while defending your house
3. dying while defending your family
4. dying while fighting for the freedom of others.
5. dying while drowning.
this is not spreading hate!! this is a call for patriotism and honour, not spreading of death.
"We succeeded with Allah's grace, to raise an ideological generation that loves death like our enemy loves life." this is not as dire as it sounds... it doesn't mean we love DYING. a muslim loves what is after dying - heaven. a muslim believes that this life is not THE main life - this is only a test. we believe that the real life is the one in the Hereafter, and muslims are taught to love heaven - just as i am sure Christians do! when he said we love death, it doesn't mean we wish death on others, and i know this because this is probably derived from the speech of a well-known companion of the Prophet PBUH. it is as i said, the love of the life after death - every muslim longs for the day that he meets His lord, and he will only get that after he dies... that's all that it means! the reason that i don't find this shocking is because i know these quote's contexts. these two statements are tho9se used in the time of battle, to remind the muslims fighiting of Heaven... that is why it was said, in history, that the muslim armies were the most fearless fighters. this is not a call for demolishing America!! it is not a call to kill all non-muslims or anything like that! these are things to raise the morale of fighters in a time of war, and who you are getting these quotes from is indicatice of that: Hamas, who are fighting in Palestine to defend their people and their land. Hasan NasrAllah from HizbAllah who were just in a war with Israel. that's all it is! i don't think there's any peoples in the world that don't support patriotism and the honour of dying for your country and your people. and i'm sure every religion speaks of the love for one's God, and wanting to meet Him.
i hope you can now see that it's not as bad as you first thought it was. radical islam? i really don't know what that is! there are so many terms being used these days that i've gotten confused!
hey palo,
i guess i will have to continue my post, in order to show the "radical". i will have to admit that your response worries me a bit. in the quote from nasrallah, he talks about KILLING for God. this isn't wrong?!?!? let me ask you this: do you think the muslims that flew into the WTC on 9/11 were martyrs? do you think the suicide bomber from hezbollah that killed over 200 marines in lebanon was a martyr? the reason i ask is that these are two completely different situations.
i need to think some more on this, and your response.
peace
what? are u serious? have you read my post on 9/11? of ourse i don't think they're martyrs!! how could you possibly believe that? and what suicide bomber? commiting suicide is strictly WRONG in Islam. a few scholars have allowed it for those in palestine as a VERY last resort - if there is any other way, and since the guy was working for Hezbollah and was sure to have other means, that in it is strictly prohibited!
im SO incredibly shocked that you actually, for 1 minute, could possibly believe that i think the guys from 9/11 were martyrs!! killing innocent people! come on - you should know me at least a little better than that. do i really seem like the person that supports people blowing themselves up and killing innocent people?!!!!
"he talks about KILLING for God. this isn't wrong?!?!?" okay.. let me clarify this point. in Islam, we are taught that everything we do, we do for the sake of Allah. and i mean EVERYTHING. that is the ultimate form of islam - ot have everything you do, done in the way of God. so let's see what that means shall we? it's all about the intentions. so you say, 'im going to the bathroom to take a shower, because God loves cleanliness.'
'i'm going to go eat, because i need to nourish myself to be able to carry on with my life.' you dont SAY it, but you think of Allah when you do it - you're supposed to remember God at every turn. you save a man, not JUST because it's humanitarian, but because Allah loves that act. you give chrity because Allah loves that. there is a verse in the Quran that rouhgly means, 'say [oh Muhammad], my prayers, my life, and my death are for Allah, the God of all creatures.' - that's all that it means. it doesn't mean literally killing FOR Allah - as in a sacrifice. it means doing it for the sake of Allah... everything that a muslim does is 'for the sake of Allah'.. that's all it means.. :S i hope that clarifies that!
nothing to do with anything... but i just love a good, strong, 'blood-boiling' debate :p
but, sadly, no blood is boiling yet... maybe we're too polite?!
hey palo,
no, i did not think for one second that you think that the 9/11 terrorists were martyrs. that was a leading question on my part. i was actually wanting to know about my second question regarding the hezbollah example. based on what you told me regarding "rules" for martyrdom, i figured you could make an argument that the marines were killed on Lebanon soil, so maybe they were "defending" their land. also, that they were military and not civilians. i now know your view. i did not mean to offend you.
with regards to the nasrallah comment, i still do not understand your point here. i completely understand that if you are killed defending your family/land/country...etc. then you become a martyr. i understand, and don't dis-agree. where i have a problem is that he calls KILLING honorable, and that you don't seem to have any problem with that. i have never been in a situation where a religious figure head would not only condone, but encourage KILLING another human being.
blood boiling yet? ... lol
peace
oh wow that really narrows it down doesn't it? i'd say i've one the debate :p jk
okay.. killing. oh right okayi get what you mean. but following on from what i've said, if you're defending your land, and it's probable that you might die in the process, it's also probable that you're going to kill someone! someone who's coming to kill you, and so deserves to die. unless you're supporting pacifism, and 'let him kill me, but i won't kill him' i can't see why you wouldn't condone killing - in that situation. as in, when you're in a war, obviously people are going to be killed. hopefully people that are not innocent. since it is something that you have an intention to do, you should not shy away from it. just like everything else you do, you do it for the sake of Allah. it's not saying that killing is beautiful, it's saying that it, too, is for the sake of Allah. i can see that the emphasis on that is a bit worrying, but this is in the context of war. i am not one to believe that killing is a horrific thing no matter what.. because if it was, how on earth would i accept anyone to be a soldier? i mean does that mean that a soldier should live in ever-lasting guilt? no, if you are in the right, and you are defending your land, than there is nothing wrong with it. it's nothing to be proud of, and it's nothing to glorify, but it's nothing to shy away from either. surely you must know someone in the army. do you find their acts despicable? do you think that it is horrible to be a soldier? if so, than i'm afraid that we've gotten to a dead end. all i'm saying is, that killing - in that sense- just like every other act, is 'for the sake of Allah'.
i think that you find this more shocking that i do, because you have no idea how much the phrase 'for the sake of Allah' is used. it's used for EVERYTHING. that's why i didn't specifically address the killing part of it. because if you're not doing it 'for the sake of Allah' then surely you are not justified in your act, because it would mean that you are doing it for the wrong reason - like blowing innocent people up. it's a matter of belief, and a matter of faith. i agree, that if this phrase was used specifically for killing, it would be rather disturbing, because it would sound something like a sacrifice - but it's not!
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sorry just deleted the last one coz i posted it twice :)
hey,
my father, both grand-fathers, and several other relatives of mine have served in our armed forces. no, i don't find their act dispicable. just the opposite, i find them to be true patriots fighting for the country we love. i understand what you are getting at here, but if you notice, that quote was from 2005, and not during the 34 day war. israel had already withdrawn from Lebanon when he made that quote. i guess this kinda bolis down to seperation of church and state again. as Christians, we are taught to turn the other cheek, and that it is wrong to kill. i guess i just have a real problem with religious heads preaching violence and hatred. i will be posting more examples to elaborate on this. i have seen footage of clerics actually bringing weapons to the pulpit with them on their sermons. this just does not seem to be the same beautiful religion that you speak of. i think there are many of these "religious" leaders who preach hate to advance their own power seeking agenda, and mask it under Islam.
peace
oh dear :S... well if they're preaching violence and hatred then i'm afraid i can't support or defend that. and you're right, it's not the same beautiful religion i speak about. violence and hatred is NOT something that islam calls for. i'm sorry that poeple mix the 2 up. i'm going to try to send posts that support that - and i'm glad you found all points valid - since you didnt complain :)
more posts on this topic? wow.. i'm really going to exhaust my debating powers here aren't i?
lol, and i am just getting started! this is good though, as i want to know your thoughts regarding the Islam culture. it is very important to me to TRY and understand your traditions and customs. the more people are educated with another's culture and beliefs, then there will be less room for mis-understandings, hurt feelings, and fights. i am just so glad that i found someone like you that is willing to speak her mind on such hot-button topics.
peace to you palo-girl
I keep trying to comment but get error messages.... glad to see you are finally making posts and good ones at that :)
good conversation here too.
I think we all agree what is happening in the world is wrong.
I am just as horrorfied by the "destroy Islam" types springing up everywhere like the islamnazi I linked.
some of them even attach the name christian to themselves.
One thing I want to add is I have always been into end time prophecy.. and what I saw in the Islamic version is that it kind of predicts this will happen. says something like there will be nothing left of it but the name and the people called it will be farthest from it........ it says the answer is to use the koran against them. I think it goes along with the command from jesus...I beleive we are not really to "fight" we are to pull people FROM the fire and save them.
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